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# Tappedin transcript for AnnePD, 2003.11.13 17:04:19
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Room: AnnePD_Ofc
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ElizabetJS: Sandy, what is blogging?
SandraS: Well, I think Pam is leading this session on blogging…
PamB: Welcome to Web tools. This evening we’ll be discussing blogging…
DorothyGst13: I,m Dorothy, I teach elementary art
PamB: Sandra, go for it!
LoriJH: What is blogging??
SandraS: ok, so blog stands for web log
SandraS: very simply, it’s an online journal
JasonB: cool
LoriJH: Yes. Let’s talk about web tools.
SandraS: one can sign up for free services like Blogger
LoriJH: What suggestions.
PamB: I asked Sandra to join us to share her experiences blogging iwth her college students.
CarolM: Sandra, what tool(s) are you using?
SandraS: Does anyone else here use blogs personally or in the classroom?
JasonB: This is the first time I’ve heard of blogging.
CarolM: I’m just starting to…
SandraS: I use Typepad for my own blogs…Typepad is the new interface developed by Movable Type
AnnePD: Yes, I have a personal one and I use them with students.
MagdalenaR: yeah my first time too.
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SandraS: Anne, what level students do you use blogs with?
ElizabetJS: This is the first time that hear about an online journal
CarolM: Sandra, what do you use with your students?
PamB: We’ll have time tonight to explore some blogs
SandraS: i use blogger because it’s free and their new interface works well SusanR left the room.
SandraS: there’s livejournal
SandraS: easyjournal
AnnePD: I use them with fifth graders and with preservice teachers who will be doing their student teaching in January.
MagdalenaR: where do you sign up for these services
DorothyGst13: I,ve not done any of these things I’m a neophite(sp?)
SandraS: www.blogger.com
JasonB: Anne, could you explain how you use this with fifth graders>
PamB: Sandra or Anne — can we look at your blogs?
SandraS: sure
LoriJH: Is this self created or are their actual companies that maintain such sites?
SandraS: companies
ElizabetJS: Would fifth grade be the lowest grade to try them with?
SandraS: basically it’s a templated web page
SandraS: you write something, post it to the page
SandraS: and it gets uploaded and maintained at the company’s servers
PamB: Generally, blogs are web sites that consist of many entries on a single web page posted daily or at least weekly and usually include a title and date. The typical blog format is to list entries in reverse chronological order with the most recent entry on the top of the page making it easy for people to scan quickly through the entries. SeidyC joined the room.
SandraS: great explanation!
CarolM: Sandra, has your school expressed any interest in hosting university-related blogs using software like Manilla? DaveS joined the room.
SandraS: nope
AnnePD: I would be glad for you to look at my blog. My personal one is EduBlog Insights at http://anne.teachesme.com. One I did with fifth graders last year was called NewsQuest. Students wrote about current events and collaborated with a high school journalism class. I use Manila.
SandraS: we have a severely challenged IT infrastructure
SandraS: yes, EdublogNetwork uses Manila
MagdalenaR: What type of entries is it just for writing?
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SandraS: Anne, your link gave me a 404…
PamB: Sandra, will you post your blog url so we can take a look and then come back and ask questions?
JamesWr: what purpose can they serve for students- can access be controlled BJ joined the room.
SandraS: http://eng304classblog.blogspot.com
PamB: click on Sandra’s link and then come back in a few minutes
AnnePD: The GSU server may be down. The site I used last year for students was http://anvil.gsu.edu/NewsQuest
CarolM: James raises an interesting access question, especially for children
LoriJH: Interesting concept. I am wondering do your school firewalls allow easy access or was their special permission involved?
SandraS: college-level means I don’t have to deal with permissions and firewalls
DorothyGst13: I clicked on the link I got no response
SandraS: so I’d be interested to hear about k-12 access
AnnePD: I did not use the blogs as online journals but as a place of the web for students to write, collaborate with others, and have a voice.
ElizabetJS: Could this journal be compared to something like e-classrooms where students share by replying to each other JasonMc joined the room. JasonMc left the room.
MagdalenaR: Yeah it looks very similiar to e-classrooms
MagdalenaR: e-classrooms is just seperated into different folders
JamesWr: I guess they offer a sounding board that chat rooms do not
LoriJH: This sounds like a great concept. I am thinking especially with the gifted students that I work with.
AnnePD: To me, the neat thing about a weblog is that you can make it be what you want it to be. The possibilities are limitless. The preservice teachers I mentioned are using weblogs to discuss books using Literature Circles. I am also working with fifth graders this year - a combination of ESL and native English speaking students. The goal is to improve writing and thinking.
CarolM: Anne, are your students’ blogs accessible to the web public?
LoriJH: That souds like a great way to make writing and communiation useful.
MagdalenaR: So does everyone just log on and write
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AnnePD: My student blogs are accessible to the web public. I work at Georgia State University and the server may be down at the moment - it happens! The student blogs are linked off of the NewsQuest site. SeidyC left the room.
LoriJH: The only problem JasonB and I see is getting permission. Anything “chatty” our firewalls block.
MagdalenaR: Anne with your preservice teachers is it like a reading club on line MarianneH joined the room.
ElizabetJS: Weblogs would be very helpful for ESL students because they are able to express their ideas freely.
CarolM: Thanks, Anne. Actually, I was asking more for privacy issues than technology ones. SandraS joined the room.
JasonB: So, let me see if i have this correct. By blogging, I can post a question ( if I am doing literature circles) and the students can discuss their views?
JamesWr: Your tech dept can allow access ports or sites
LoriJH: Ya right. You don’t know our tech department. They are dorks.
CarolM: Anne, could you talk a little more about the collaboration with high school journalism students?
AnnePD: Are you familar with Literature Circles? Students take on different reading roles like Discussion Director, Word Wizard, Travel Tracker, etc. and discuss books that way. That blog is located at http://anvil.gsu.edu/LiteratureCircles.
LoriJH: I like the idea of reading circles or “Oprah” discussions.
JasonB: Thank you!
PamB: I posted a website to share some info and sample blogs with you. The url is http://www.infosearcher.com/blogs.htm Check out the high school journalism class blog and elementary blogs
ElizabetJS: Thanks that’s a great resource!
MarianneH: Anne, that URL didn’t come up.
LoriJH: This was most useful!
JamesWr: hey i’m one of those dorks 
SandraS: great list, Pam
AnnePD: Yes, students post on their web sites and then the high school journalism class would comment on what the students wrote. They also created lessons for them on good news writing. They encouraged the younger ones and were impressed by what they were doing.
LoriJH: You are a cool dork. Ours aren’t!
CarolM: FYI, on Pam’s list, she mentions Kern County. They also host Manilla sites for non-profits, like the Bay Area Writers Project.
LoriJH: I like this concept. Thanks for such a great idea. DorothyGst13 left the room (signed off).
SandraS: also, on the list…Movable Type is not easy to use…Typepad is the user-friendly version AshleyG joined the room.
AnnePD: EdBlogger Praxis is a great site that lists lots of educator weblogs. It’s at
PamB: Thanks Sandra. I’ll cahnge that.
AnnePD: http://educational.blogs.com/edbloggerpraxis/
CarolM: Thanks, Anne. Great opportunity for high school j. students…
JasonMc: I have actually been using Movable Type for a while now. It took a bit to get it set up. While not as immediately user-friendly as Manila, I really like it.
JamesWr: if you cannot gain access maybe you could build a lan discussion group for students
CarolM: Is anyone here hosting their OWN blog? i.e. buying the bloggin software and their own server?
SandraS: Movable Type is very versatile
AnnePD: The link I just listed is EdBlogger Praxis and it is run by Al Delgado. It lists lots of educator weblogs - great resource.
SandraS: but you’ve got to have access to a server, know some Unix
SandraS: nope
AnnePD: We bought Frontier and are hosting sites for GSU students and faculty.
CarolM: Anne, is it paying for itself?
SandraS: Anne, how is that working?
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PamB: Anne, are many students taking advantage of the free blogs?
JasonMc: I managed to get an old Win 2000 network server, popped Movable Type onto it and runn our school’s web site on it.
SandraS: cool, Jason
PamB: JasonMc -can you share the url with us?
JamesWr: cool edu blog site, thanks
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AnnePD: Different professors are taking advantage of introducing it to students. We are not offering them just for anything but under the umbrella of useful educational purposes. As students show interest in classes, they can set up a weblog. We are in a pilot project type mode.
JasonMc: The learning curve was kind of steep at first, but it’s nice having the server sitting in my classroom. The url is http://lakewood.kpdsb.on.ca
CarolM: So both Moveable Type and Manilla can actually become more “traditional” website-like places, just with easy content management, right? AshleyG left the room (signed off).
JasonMc: I have another site that I have put together for my staff to use. It’s at http://pdzone.org
SandraS: the Edublog website is hosted on Typepad….
PamB: Nice job! Jason
JasonMc: Thanks!
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SandraS: nice work with Movable Type, Jason
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SandraS: Carol, that’s an interesting comment…where do blogs and websites blur? AshleyG left the room (signed off). AshleyG joined the room.
SandraS: some blogs, especially with video/images, come much closer to a website
SandraS: not so much a traditional blog
JasonB: Thanks for the information on Blogging!
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ElizabetJS: Thanks for the helpful sites on blogging.
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PamB: your welcome.
PamB: Be sure to look at Weblogg-ed site…
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PamB: it has lots of other educational blogs. It gives a good idea of waht is going on in K-12 SeidyC left the room. JasonB left the room. SusanR joined the room.
MagdalenaR: just out of curiosity what grade level do you think is the youngest you can use this blogging with?
PamB: Sandra, do have nay students who do not want to blog?
SandraS: some…
SusanR: use the slash, Beth /join PamB
SandraS: I would think the youngest age would be anywhere close to beginning literacy?
SusanR: and lowercase “j”
SandraS: maybe even first grade?
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CarolM: How about typing as a bloggin issue? I would think that would be a more natural barrier
SandraS: absolutely…typing is definitely a challenge!
AnnePD: Weblogs are dynamic. A regular website is static. Also weblogs enable you to instantly publish. It is a way to connect with others and make connections to learning. It is a way to give students ownership of a personal space. And it is an upclose and personal way to include parents in the process.
JamesWr: is there any legal problems k-12 wth giving access to blogs. . . are they monitored
PamB: Amsterdam international school uses blogs in their eelementary school…in all the classes but I’m not usre how young.
CarolM: Sandra, did you have students using this as a entre to typing? SeciliaC joined the room. ElizabetJS left the room (signed off).
SandraS: not so far, Carol, but that would be a good idea
MagdalenaR: okay, it sounds like a good activity to enhance reading and writing. I just was not sure if they could handle all the typing.
SandraS: traditional blogs tend to be short entries
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AnnePD: James, I got parent permission from each child’s parent. I explained what they were doing and everything they wrote would come to me on an email as I was a managing editor on their sites.
JamesWr: good
SandraS: if students had consistent access, they could write more regularly but perhaps not at great length…that might take care of some typing problems
CarolM: Anne, would you be willing to share a copy of the language you used on the permission slip?
MagdalenaR: Great thinking Anne
DorothyGst6: at what age are most children keyboard literate?
PamB: Anne- so the kids don’t write directly to the blog/
AnnePD: At the elementary school where I used to teach, we began keyboarding in grade 3.
JasonMc: Has anyone used blogging in interactive projects? I know wikis are a popular way to do this, but I’m trying to work within technology that I already have.
MagdalenaR: Well I have worked with first graders and they know how to type, slowly. SandraS so wants to set up a wiki…
AnnePD: Pam - I started with a class blog, then students created their own blogs. SeciliaC left the room.
CarolM: My understanding of wikis is they were kind of the blog parent…
SandraS: my student blogs are interactive in that each student needs to find two readers outside of class KerriLM left the room.
SandraS: the readers can then post to the blog, if the blog author gives the reader permission
PamB: that’s a great idea
CarolM: Can students continue to access their blogs after school?
DorothyGst6: what’s a wikis?
SandraS: at college level, yes
CarolM: wiki
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AnnePD: On my EduBlogInsights (http://anne.teachesme.com) I have links to lots of other educator blogs.
PamB: thanks anne
SandraS: a wiki is a website of information that can be accessed by anyone (can be password protected)
SandraS: collective information building
SandraS: Wikipedia
PamB: Anne, can i add your site to the blog page?
JasonMc: I have thought about the possibility of using a blog as a tool for having my French students share info with French-speaking students in other parts of the world. Does anyone have experience in something like this? Any problems you can foresee?
AnnePD: Sure!
SandraS: that would be way cool, Jason
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AnnePD: Jason, I don’t have experience with that but it’s a great idea!
PamB: isn’t the concept of a Wiki that anyone adds information to it to sahre and build the site? JasonB joined the room.
PamB: sorry..share
SandraS: yup, Pam
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JasonMc: I’d like to jump in, but I want to test the waters first, you know?
SandraS: http://www.wikipedia.org
MagdalenaR: Jason, do you mean like pen pals but over the internet? SeciliaC left the room.
AlexisV: Can someone help me…is this thr correct place to be concerning the pre-service teacher chat?
JasonMc: That could be part of it. I was thinking of collaborative projects; sharing information for a virtual field trip, for example.
SandraS: Alexis, you’re in the right place
SandraS: We’re just finishing up a talk on blogging
MagdalenaR: Wow that sounds like something I want to try. I have not heard of the virtual fieldtrip idea before.
JasonMc: I’d like students to be able to ask questions and share info in a forum-like atmosphere without the hassle of setting up a forum.
PamB: You might be able to find a partner school in france at the Global Schoolhouse website.
AlexisV: thanks sandra…this is my first time participating. BJ . o O ( or talk to Phil Benz during one of the EuroLang discussions here in Tapped In )
BJ . o O ( Phil is in France )
AnnePD: I have been exploring possibilities with weblogs for almost two years. The best part about them is that they make you think about what you truly want to accomplish with students. You need a plan. I feel that they have helped me improve my own writing, given me a great resource through all the communication with other educators (we’re learning together), and it encourages active engagment and thinking by the students and teachers. MarianneH left the room (signed off).
PamB: Great idea, BJ…
SandraS: i agree, anne
PamB: Phil Benz has a virtual website where students meet and talk in french
SandraS: also helps me to talk about class process cuz i write about that on class blog
JasonMc: Thanks for the suggestions. I have used E-pals before, but I like the idea of students being able to share, with the group rather than with just one person at a time. I have found that it can be intimidating for students to write to an individual.
MagdalenaR: Anne would you say that it is possible to create a mock blogging on my website for my students
PamB: Anne, where do you talk with other educators about blogging?
CarolM: For those of you using blogs with k-12 kids, have you found parents logging in to read? JanelA joined the room.
SandraS: Pam, thanks…i need to run to another chat. This has been very helpful. SandraS left the room.
PamB: Sandra, thanks very much!
PamB: too late
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JamesWr: It has been great info I guess we should others have thr turn …thanks
PamB: there is a group in TappedIn called blog (soap) box…
AnnePD: Well, there is a great little community out there. You need to sign up on eBN Educational Bloggers Network (http://www.ebn.weblogger.com/) and see all the good resources there.
MagdalenaR: I really appreciate the information about blogging. I had never heard of it and will look at the resources that you provided. I think this is an activity that I would like to experience. Thank you DorothyGst6 left the room (signed off).
PamB: that’s a great site.
AnnePD: Once you start blogging, other educators will find you and everyone shares what they are learning and thinking. It is better than any inservice I have ever attended. Lots of thinking, sharing, and learning going on!
PamB: well it’s almost time. thanks for coming and sharing. JamesWr left the room (signed off).
JasonMc: Back to report cards. Thanks for the great ideas.
AnnePD: Nice talking to everyone!
MagdalenaR: Bye
PamB: Thanks for all your ideas and links.
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PamB: Good night!
BethD: sorry i arrived late. just read about blogging in information searcher and wanted to hear more. JasonMc left the room (signed off).
CarolM: Thanks, Pam
PamB: Beth, do you want me to send you the transcript?
BethD: would you please?
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CarolM: Pam, read your email!
PamB: sure Beth. i’ll send it tonight
BethD: Thanks!
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PamB: Carol did you send me great news?
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BJ: Pam, did you tell about your group room?
BJ . o O ( sorry, I was multitasking )
PamB: oooo no I forgot!
PamB: I did tell them aobut the blogging group!
PamB: next time.
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